Payback’s… a good thing

[Amendment: *sigh* “Post at haste, repent at leisure” could apply. I meant to follow the post title with, “…Payoffs are not,” as the first sentence of this post. Would have made kore sense.]

Note that there is one provision of the Senate Shamnesty Billate that I could easily support, were it presented on its own: a provision offering a citizenship track to certain illegal aliens for service (and honorable discharge on completion of service) in the Armed Forces of the United States. Such persons would, IMO, have offered full restitution for their crimes and amended their faulty immigration status by their service. In fact, you might note I agreed with Jerry Pournelle’s suggestion along those lines earlier:

“…as I have often said, the proper way to deal with illegal immigrants, is (1) close the border, (2) pay a bonus to any who will voluntarily leave — say $4,000 or so, which is significant to them but still a savings to both nation and state; (3) instruct the police that any who come their attention as misfeasors of any serious degree be turned over to the authorities for detention and deportation and make that stick, (4) offer citizenship to any who spend 8 years in the armed services ending in honorable discharge, and (5) wait to see what happens then. I have no idea whether you would call that compassionate. It seems very reasonable to me.” [emphasis added]

As before, I’m not all that happy with rewarding illegal aliens for “catching” themselves and performing a self-deportation. In fact, I’d be happier if a bounty–with protections against abuse–were in place to reward citizens who turned in illegals who were then deported deep into Mexico (if Mexican or if entered from there) or their countries of origin. Heck, I could retire off bounties within a couple of months (not that that significantly affects my position, since it’s a matter of principle, not economic–rewarding outlaws for breaking the law is never a good idea).

In fact, I’m a tad surprised at Pournelle for suggesting that we pay illegals to leave, since he was once fond of quoting:

Danegeld
by Rudyard Kipling


IT IS always a temptation to an armed and agile nation,
To call upon a neighbour and to say:
“We invaded you last night – we are quite prepared to fight,
Unless you pay us cash to go away.”

And that is called asking for Dane-geld,
And the people who ask it explain
That you’ve only to pay ’em the Dane-geld
And then you’ll get rid of the Dane!

It is always a temptation to a rich and lazy nation,
To puff and look important and to say:
“Though we know we should defeat you, we have not the time to meet you.
We will therefore pay you cash to go away.”

And that is called paying the Dane-geld;
But we’ve proved it again and again,
That if once you have paid him the Dane-geld
You never get rid of the Dane.

It is wrong to put temptation in the path of any nation,
For fear they should succumb and go astray,
So when you are requested to pay up or be molested,
You will find it better policy to say:

“We never pay any one Dane-geld,
No matter how trifling the cost,
For the end of that game is oppression and shame,
And the nation that plays it is lost!”


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3 Replies to “Payback’s… a good thing”

  1. Don’t pay ’em to leave. Put them on a freighter bound for China, just a little gift from the USA. It’s a guess, but I suspect the Chinese would handle this situation differently than we have so far.

  2. provision offering a citizenship track to certain illegal aliens for service (and honorable discharge on completion of service) in the Armed Forces of the United States….Couldnt agree more..let them
    prove their allegiance eh?!

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